11 comments

  • advael 50 minutes ago
    Category narrowing to this degree really has diluted the term "SOTA" quite a lot

    You mean it's state of the art for this subset of benchmarks you're targeting? No? Well surely it's state of the art for models of a certain size category? Huh, what about models that are available for local inference? O, state of the art for open models of a certain size made in the US specifically. Uh. Neat!

    • visarga 34 minutes ago
      No, the term is well defined. It means being on the Pareto curve of performance vs size, such as: https://tinyurl.com/26sw35fw
      • O_H_E 19 minutes ago
        well yes but the y axis heavily depends on the benchmark you choose
  • stewartpark 6 minutes ago
    It's great to see another competitive open weight model. Congratulations!

    But as is, it's probably hard to become popular amongst hobbyists and local model enthusiasts like Qwen's 27B class models or MOE models because it's a 65B dense model and inference will be prohibitively slow on consumer grade hardware, and seems like the goal/mission of the company behind this model is to automate chip design.

    So if I have to assume and connect the dots, this is for the companies who want to use AI in air-gapped environments for chip design so that they protect their IPs (not leaking to third party AI labs/hostile parties) and can afford lots of server grade inference hardware for a quick unlock with the big dense model.

    Neat!

  • wmf 1 hour ago
    Congratulations I guess but it's a pretty bad look to not even mention those other open weight models.
    • petcat 2 minutes ago
      Do those other models usually mention all the competition? I haven't noticed
    • karmakaze 42 minutes ago
      What's funnier is that after cherry picking models for comparison, they further cherry picked Inking for size comparison instead of better and smaller Beam 1.0

      The bar chart also shows Nemotron 3 Ultra instead of smaller and better Nemotron 3.5 Super.

    • tedivm 56 minutes ago
      We've always been at war with eurasia.

      Seriously though, it's just easier to pretend that China doesn't exist when they're stomping us this badly.

    • flatline 57 minutes ago
      Right? These are not likely to be meaningful points of comparison to anyone but the authors.
      • wmf 50 minutes ago
        Maybe Palantir will use it or something. There probably is a market for US models but I don't know how large it will be.
        • Onawa 35 minutes ago
          US Gov won't let Chinese models be hosted on any internal infra, not even supposed to use them for local AI. So there is absolutely a market for US-made or non-Chinese models there.
  • 2001zhaozhao 51 minutes ago
    This model scores 80.5 on Terminal Bench 2.1

    For reference Qwen 3.8 Flash Next (which is bigger than this model but probably cheaper to run due to MoE) scores 84.3, and Qwen 3.8-27B scores 73.0.

    I think this model could be competitive, depending on how much it was benchmaxxed compared to Qwen?

  • syntaxing 57 minutes ago
    When a post doesn’t mention Qwen for comparison, you know the performance isn’t going to be great.
    • ethan-boneh 52 minutes ago
      I mean Qwen 3.8 27B hits 73% on TB2.1 and 42.2% on DeepSWE....
  • dofm 59 minutes ago
    So we have a Recursive and a Ricursive, both making LLMs?
    • wmf 48 minutes ago
      Time to start Rickursive, the lab that will never give you up and never let you down.
      • 6thbit 21 minutes ago
        And it should acquire the existing two
      • throwaw12 30 minutes ago
        we need RichUrsive
    • giwook 49 minutes ago
      There seems to be some recursion going on here.
    • xyzrt 53 minutes ago
      One making self-improving AI via AI-chip co-design, the other relying only on software for self-improving AI.
      • dofm 52 minutes ago
        I hope they never have to call each other about anything. It could get confusing if neither knows who is the base case.
  • soundworlds 17 minutes ago
    Not to be confused with https://recursive.com/
  • jszymborski 49 minutes ago
    Would love a 27B model. Wonder if we'll get a distillation.
  • RGS1811 1 hour ago
    The comparison chart is befuddling.
  • 6thbit 26 minutes ago
    I'm sorry but what is "U.S." implying here?

    Is this sponsored by the us gov? did it only train on US data? does it only work on the US?

    • conception 25 minutes ago
      It's a US group that made it, in the same vein that OpenAI and Anthropic have US models.
    • petcat 22 minutes ago
      It means that it's an American AI lab behind it.
  • johnnyApplePRNG 9 minutes ago
    Only benchmarking against other garbage american models?

    LMFAO get out of my feed